The New International Snuff-Takers' Association

Clearly I don’t understand the difference between ISTA and Snuffhouse. How do the aims of the two groups diverge sufficiently enough to justify excluding plain old snuff users? Why keep their discussions secret? Wouldn’t an open thread dedicated strictly to the aims of the group work just as well?

@Mouse when something dress up with privacy seems to be more attractive and protected from tepidity I don’t know what is the best weapon of ISTA, is privacy? but i know well that the best weapon of a Snuff community should be the weapon of openness. Secrecy once accepted becomes an addiction.

Private, yes. Secret, no. There is a difference. There is no privilege in being in the ISTA. Its work. The mission of the ISTA is as above. The mission of Snuffhouse is simply to converse with fellow snuff enthusiasts and share information. Most ISTA conversation so far has only revolved around bureaucratic topics, such as voting and organizing mission statements, purpose, direction,mottos, logos, etc. There is little talk of snuff or anything most would consider fun, and it would not be of interest to the general Snuffhouse community. If you are interested in the above topics, you are welcome to apply.

Man, as I look back, we all qualify as free radicals!

@number_seven Couldn’t agree more! I don’t know why people get all wrapped up in “commercialism”. Commerce is one of the most powerful and glorious features of human society. I am grateful that there are at least a few folks who are willing to accept my money and send me some snuff, as there are not many people who will. And besides, even when Dave might promote his snuff retail business on a snuff web forum, he is simply trying to do his job, as a snuff retailer, well. It is no more or less “corrupt” or “subversive” than you trying to do well at your job, whatever it may be.

@Kpod‌ Didn’t post in this thread, but I’m not going to argue: I love when people agree with me :smiley: Edit: Oops, yes, i did… :smiley:

I am curious, how does the ISTA plan on furthering the “cause” of snuff? Or is it too early to be talking about that? Will you be looking for snuffs from exotic countries to bring to western markets? Hitting up brick and mortar stores? Canvassing politicians? I do think the most effective way to promote snuff is simply to share it generously, most of my male friends are at least casual snuffers at this point.

If there is something that you would like to see the ISTA do then please let us know. The more ideas that we bounce around the better. By the way both of those ideas have already been done by ISTA members. Have you heard of Spanish Jewel? You might want to look that one up.

I think looking for snuffs that have never been tried before would be a super super cool goal for an international snuff taker’s organization!

Well, probably the most obvious thing, and from a “West of the Pond” perspective would be the issue of access to snuffs here in the States. That, however, will be difficult from a small grassroots organization for an obscure (from our perspective) fringe product. Perhaps the best thing is to try and position as an alternative to even vaping, which is getting notice because the liquid nicotine is so incredibly dangerous and is going to get regulation quite soon. Perhaps a word of mouth campaign through local media as well as blogs and other social media outlets. Of course, it’ll be an uphill battle, but worth it…

I think this is a excellent idea. A more unified voice of the snuffing community! Hopefully less like Philip Morris. Or more like. I forgot how they are doing lately. I feel if we were to direct people to snuffing house they would be over whelmed. If their were a committee to organize and, determine useful information, I would think it would be better for all of us.

Oh it seems the committee is underway. I’m bad at reading dates. I stand by what I said though. I demand less people looking at me oddly when I snuff! Their will still be some I understand. right now it is all of them though. All of them is too many.

@Igglet: you might like to hear this: Philip Morris is closing down their cigarette factory in Bergen op Zoom, The Netherlands. Jaap Bes.

When you say, “making available their collective knowledge” - have you decided yet what form that will take, and available to whom? I accept of course that any organisation is at liberty to decide its own membership criteria.

Members of the Brotherhood should be watching recent developments with vaping and learning from the experience of organizations that represent vapers’ interests. What happens with the regulation of gaping is probably a five year deja vu for what will happen with snuff.

The odd thing is snuff has been around longer than any of them. One would think with its long history there would be a acceptance. Or at least tolerance.

The problem with snuff becoming popular is Governments will get $ signs in their eyes if the popularity of snuff soars and the big tobacco companies will try to crush it into the dust when they see it hurting their sales

I believe that the fate of Nasal snuff will be stay underground life sentence… and that is the end of the story… Big smoking sharks will never allow the growing of Nasal snuff and all that with the blessings of societies of course.

I kind of like where snuff is. Under the radar where I am and, not heavily taxed. The vapor industry is taking some huge hits though. It makes me sad when something that is better than smoking is being hit so hard. The fruit flavors are not for the damn children! Adults like fruit! I like fruit! I ate a whole pound of blueberries in one day damn it! I will push a child down for blueberries!

I’d rather it was more well known, considered reasonably safe and a hugely safer alternative to smoking - accepted by the public and treated very progressively by governments worldwide as Sweden does with snus. Taxed, but at a reasonable rate (i.e. a moderate excise tax, but not a penalty or health tax) The UK and New Zealand actually have some level of acceptance by government officially already. It is my hope that the ISTA can work to achieve this someday, although it is not now their explicit purpose.